Saturday, May 25, 2024

Transformative experience in third world countries




the most transformative experience I’ve ever had in my life was moving to a shithole country for a few months this was not the same as some bimbo saying “omg travel changed me!” after a 5-day guided tour in Milan changing her bio to “¡arrivederci!” probably her first time alone with her thoughts during a plane ride without WiFi I legitimately became a different person before and after this experience, and you can ask anyone who’s known me the last few years it was during covid when I was working remote. I said fuck it, why not move somewhere? I’ve already traveled everywhere in the west, so I wanted something a bit more exotic and outside my comfort zone I fell for the instagram hoe meme of going to some third-world country with lush forests and fruit from trees! wow, I can get authentic local food, warm weather, AND explore a new culture? sign me up! lmfao 🤦‍♂️ instead of meeting digital nomads, guess what I saw? did you ever wonder why religious people seemed deranged and made a bunch of rules to try to keep people civilized? it’s because the devil resides in human souls. but you don’t feel this until you see the heinous shit that humanity is capable of: - parents selling their children for $20 - police running prostitution rings of 14 year olds, turning a blind eye to the brothels “as long as we get our pick of the litter when we stop by.” or going to unlicensed businesses like a hair salon “so… I can either fine you into the stone age. …or you can close up the shop for two hours and take me to the back room” to married women - brilliant children dropping out of school at 12 because they can’t afford it. instead working slave labour in blistering heat with a 2-hour commute and 14-hour days EVERY DAY because they need to help family pay bills - dumb ass children going as fast as possible on motorcycles. 3 of them on one charging at full speed like a missile. and if you want to talk about road rage, let’s talk about preteens armed with knives and firearms who want to look hard in front of their friends - adults trying to scam you at every corner, selling contaminated sewer water as “filtered.” unenforceable contracts. “You paid me? When?” - food poisoning. electricity going out. infections and disease from all the insects from the “BeAuTiFuL nAtUrE” - scammy, overpriced medical care where their solution to everything is fake creams. or amputation. doctors are illiterate car mechanics who barely memorize a magazine of medicine and its effects - uneducated people everywhere. and if you think “school propaganda!!” is bad, imagine people literally not knowing how to use soap or knowing how pregnancy works - impulsive behaviour. men getting a girl knocked up at 16, then trading her in for a younger model at 21 because her best friend or 16-year-old sister looked good. traumatized women who isolate themselves. if their child is lucky, she'll become a criminal to feed them - people who have no concept of the future. it doesn’t exist. they only “live in the moment” to become alcoholics, drug abusers, and sex addicts. literal animals and the worst? western men indulging in the degeneracy. some smelly old fat fuck goes to this country so he can have barely legal teens for pennies on the dollar. some young girl clinging herself to the greasy palms of this disgusting obese landwhale because it’s easier to spread your legs open for 10 minutes than getting paid a dollar a day whilst getting beat the fuck out of by your local husband or touched up by your uncle because your parents don’t believe you. I hadn’t cried in a long time, but there was a moment where I reflected on all of this and sobbed. for multiple reasons: first, this was the reality for all of human history. I just took a time machine back to what was happening a few generations ago. your great-grandparents probably married out of necessity, not love. choosing who you want to be with is a modern luxury. not only that, but imagine the enormous suffering they had to go through. no wonder old people are insane. lack of modern conveniences like medicine, electricity, plumbing, sanitation, scammers, lack of opportunity, dumb ass people. go back even further and they had to deal with wild animals, extreme weather, war. their insane behaviour came from insane circumstances. that trauma never goes away, it just dies with them. it was also a religious experience. I used to think that religious rules were cumbersome. some old fuck trying to be an asshole. but no, it was my great-great-grandfather pleading to me. “Please, son. Follow these rules and make sure others follow them. The devil is real. I don’t want you to suffer.” and I developed so much resentment for westerners who complain. fuck you. no first-world country will be anywhere near as dysfunctional as these countries. your ancestors collectively suffered so much to rescue you from their problems, so you can live in modern comfort. and you want to whine? you have so much power to alleviate so much suffering in the world. you could feed an entire family for $200/month and become a tribal leader. they would treat you like a king for the rest of your life. you could pay for the education of the next genius inventor for $20/month. you don't even have to do this for strangers. how much suffering have you eased for your loved ones? or if you don't want to, why not love a spouse or raise children who can? You have a God-like ability to take people from literal hell into heaven. imagine the self-confidence that comes from knowing that. this is where you get iron resolve. you are completely unmoved by anything that happens in life. every drop of water tasting like nectar from the garden of eden. absurd optimism equivalent to ten thousand days of gratitude journaling and meditation: “Thank you, water. Thank you, glass.” no amount of MMA, psychedelics, or watching onlyfans interviews will turn you into a man the way this will, by confronting the demons of humanity. stay blessed. godspeed

notice how many different countries people think this is in the replies tragic


Just A Thought
@Musing_Thinking
Replying to @BowTiedFox
I saw many of the things you mentioned above but the one that will stick with me forever is the kids that are forced to get something amputated so that they make more money begging. As for fixing it foreign factories that paid more than scams seemed to be working

Great read. Very well structured. I've lived enough of a life to see everything mentioned first hand well before my 30th birthday. Internationally & domestically. It's why I don't have tolerance for "How do you get the motivation", "I don't have time/energy", etc. Stop being soft & naive and all of your first world problems will fade away.

Jimmy
@JimmySteier
Replying to @BowTiedFox
Studying abroad in sub-Saharan Africa basically re-oriented all of my core assumptions about the world.


Live Free 🇺🇸
@dupreesdiam
Replying to @BowTiedFox
I have done this before and came to the exact same conclusion. My political beliefs did a complete 180. The sad part is I see our country sliding backwards and nobody has enough experience with life elsewhere to understand what is happening.


Tristan
@Tristan_Code
Replying to @BowTiedFox
You are a powerful storyteller. This sounds like textbook Southeast Asia though.

My dad was director of investigations for an NGO that works with special police and military units in host countries to combat child s*x trafficking. Your list was a good primer on what you see there daily. The horrors of the Khmer Rouge are almost unimaginable to the Western mind.


LeComteBB
@LeComteBB
Replying to @BowTiedFox
Must have been thailand. Some parts of the world are where the west was 500 years ago,not your great grandparents.I have heard the stories from 100 years ago and it was never this bad even though it was a 2nd world country

I fought in the Philippines once.. Most messed up place I've ever seen. There were girls advertising their age. Very young. Wealthy men, ex UFC fighters with young prostitutes on their arms. These dirty scum vacation in those Asian countries. It's not even hidden.

this is every single one of the transient westerners that live in Thailand, Bali, Singapore, and Philippines lol. The crypto bros, ecommerce guys, and nepo babies. well known among incels.

Bruh been to the Philippines once and formed an opinion of every Asian nation. HES NOT WRONG. But also, I can show you EVERYTHING you just mentioned, right here in Las Vegas. Pretending like it only happens overseas ensures that it continues happening here. So stop.


Baron von Clausewitz
@BaronClausewitz
Replying to @BowTiedFox
Great story. I can already tell you went to Brazil lol

The Warden
@Milt_Warden
Replying to @BowTiedFox
Gotta be Cambodia or Laos. Maybe Bangladesh.

Saint Alexei
@SaintAlexei
Replying to @BowTiedFox
Sounds like either Mayanmar, Laos, Cambodia or Malaysia.

Liv Tyler Perry
@nonpromqueen
Replying to @NOYK1847 and @BowTiedFox
A friend of mine and my brothers committed suicide after he got home from Afghanistan, he’d tell the boys horror stories, he never recovered from what he saw.

I read this post months ago. But now it hits different as I’m in Argentina. I’ve never seen this many ppl with missing limbs before. Even a beautiful women with no forearm Literally today a guy with no fingers on his hand trying to sell me socks inside of the Starbucks.


Evil is everywhere, and the underbelly of the US is just as sick. The Christian foundations in the West kept some of the worst of it at bay for generations, but that rampart is failing…fast (exhibit A: the public support for sterilizing children). But, I know where you’re coming from…it’s different living in a place where evil lives right out in the open. This describes Cambodia to a T (source: I grew up there and my dad ran undercover investigations for an NGO combating child sex trafficking for years). But I saw the same exact thing on deployments to Afghanistan and the Philippines. The common thread is not a lack of “religion” it’s a lack of Christ.

Tough read, but spot on. Our ancestors went through hell to bring us to this point. And only the most disciplined were able to create this western culture as we know it. It is always those who have cut themselves off one generation ago from the steps it took to get to this point, who laugh and mock at the beliefs that go them here. Pure ignorance while they sit in their high trust society brought to them by hard working, God fearing men and women.

My friends and I spent years in Iraq and /or Afghanistan (I personally didn’t go to AFG, just FYI) and were forced by the chain of command to just observe all this sort of shit. I think we would legitimately have let them burn widows. Nobody in the chain of command would’ve wanted to be “insensitive.” Colonialism was unironically a net win for humanity, but ONLY because the colonists of past generations had the balls to stop bad practices wherever they went. Now we are lesser men for lacking that capacity. It keeps me up at night.

This stuff is in the corners of most countries. It was not until I was like 55 years old that I saw it in my own country of Jamaica 🇯🇲 Still, this stuff is mostly in the poorest areas of countries - not generally spread into the entire country. You could "eat, pray, love" and never see this stuff in 70% of wherever you go. I have seen some shit in the American south-west also that is hair raising just driving through. Some stuff that will give me nightmares forever. It's not all some shithole country that we imagine far away in some part of the world. It's in corners of our own "safe" countries too. So travel, explore and meet people. Don't let this post dissuade you. But of course, be careful everywhere you go.



I’ve lived in Asia for a decade, the Big cities: Jakarta, Bangkok, Manila, Shanghai, Beijing, and now Saigon. You go just a little bit outside of the Civilization of the cities and you see and hear it all: The Western Tourist who got off the hook for $200 bribe to the police and the family for raping a 14 year old, the father who traded his 16 year old daughter for two months to a western neighbor for letting him borrow a canoe, the pickup trucks driving to the poor provinces to pay $800 for parents to let them take their kids to the big cities (to work in entertainment mostly servicing sweaty fat fuck western tourists and East Asian businessmen.)

People don’t know what they don’t know. You wonder why Mormons come back from missions at 20yo appreciating everything Not suggesting anyone needs to be Mormon, but there’s wisdom gained in that 18-20 year old mission trip they take


Great read. I think 2 things transforms a man. Becoming a father and staring into the heart of darkness and coming out the other side. In both you understand the need for God and that without Him you would fail in this evil world. Our religion should be a light to the world.

So many people don’t understand what it took to build civilized society. Hilariously enough, that futurama scene where they depict god as a sentient galaxy actually said it perfectly: “When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”


I knew a couple of guys who went mental after serving in Afghanistan. Their wives told me it was because of the things they saw the locals do to kids and there was nothing they could do because the people doing it were our "allies".


Coming from a place where I saw less than 5% of what you describe, I get it. The western world has made wonders by providing a system to uplift ourselves from those tragedies, yet we now find ourselves in a situation where we forgot how bad it was before. I hope more people find the time to incorporate this piece of wisdom you’ve posted. Thank you for sharing.


Wow. Well stated. Painful to see human savageness is the least common denominator. We are all capable of that. Blessed to be the west and be able to rise above. Our Christian heritage has set us free as a people but we are marching right back into the demonic.

My God, I wonder wear you went. As a 29yr old American white woman, I traveled Asia. I parked it in Luang Prahbang for a year. Mid-age Fat men were openly there 4 little boys. ,weekends in Thailand where children would beg me 2 take them on as a personal 'masseuse' 2 escape abuse

Spent a year and a half in Central America, including 8 months in Guatemala. When you see a family of 7 living in a tin shack with a bed that's actually a box spring covered in newspapers and 11 year olds digging rocks from a river for 14 hours a day for a few dollars, you change


Top of my head - Turgenev, Chekov, Dickens, Dostoevsky, Homer, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Montaigne, Tolstoy, La Rochefoucauld, Baudelaire, Thucydides, Plato, Virgil, the Sagas, Goethe, Upanishads, Dhammapada, all give good observations, would say Homer, Dostoevsky, Nietzsche and the Buddha are all better than modern psychology books for understanding human nature








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