Make America Healthy Again

RFK Jr. explains his political positions in an outstanding podcast with Jordan Peterson, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKniGfvOePc

Transcript:

RFK Jr on Jordan Peterson

 

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I I don't think she has the ability to talk to foreign leaders um I haven't seen any evidence

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of that and I think that she is susceptible to manipulation because she

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doesn't have firm ideas about her own I fear that she'll be manipulated by them and that those entities actually want a

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nuclear war this time in history if we get a president like that um it will uh

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for the next four years it may be too late for our country to ever recover

Intro

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[Music]

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hello everybody so today I had the privilege of round two with Robert F

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Kennedy Jr the first time we had a discussion which I enjoyed a lot and thought was very worthwhile the powers

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that be at YouTube decided that it was okay for them to eradicate it which was not something that I was happy with and

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still remain unhappy about we'll see if the same thing happens this time so we

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covered a lot has changed since that first interview um most markedly that

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RFK is now allied with Donald Trump and that's quite the strange turn of Affairs

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we have a Cod of disaffected Democrats running on the Republican side against

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camela Harris and what did we talk about well we talked a lot about why RFK was

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has become disenchanted with the Democrats and uh I had pushed him on that issue in our

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first discussion asking him for example when the left goes too far we finally

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have the answer to that question that's in this podcast because RFK outlined

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five different ways the left has gone too far so highlighting um highlighting

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what highlighting their lack of care for free speech highlighting the fact that they're now the party of War

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highlighting the fact that they're no longer the party the working class well there's three ways that the left has gone too far and that just what is

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that's the tip of the iceberg we talked a fair bit about well the policy issues

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that Kennedy has been discussing with Trump concentrating particularly on the Health

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crisis on free speech and on International Peace and those do strike me as three major issues that we need to

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contend with um we talked about the development of Trump's new team which is

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a remarkable occurrence the fact that he has musk the fact that he has Ramis Swami telsey gabard and of course gabard

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and of course Kennedy himself that changes the political landscape dramatically something the Trump team

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hasn't yet capitalized on we talked a little bit about what the union might

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look like under a trump Administration with all these remarkable people in it so join us for all of that YouTube

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censors uh allowing so I'm very curious about the

Forming an alliance with Donald Trump, what the Democratic Party used to represent

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alliance that you formed with Trump I'm curious about whether you ever imagined that such a thing was a likelihood and

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then I'm curious about why you decided it was a good idea uh yeah I I never imagined such

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thing was likelihood in fact I was reading a statement that I had forgotten I made

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but I I made it repeatedly um uh in the in the 18 month during the 18 months

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when I was run after my after declaring that I was going to run when people often times would ask me

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why don't you run with Trump and I would say uh and then on several occasions I

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was approached by the Trump campaign about running as his

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VP and um my answer to that was always that uh that would result in a divorce

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with my wife if I even if I had the inclination to do that because it's something that just constitutionally she

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uh at that point could not have handled and would have I think impacted

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her job and would have uh and and uh would and her friendships her

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relationships her family Etc but a lot you know we both learned a lot during the election we saw I saw

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this metamorphosis of the democratic party um the party that I was born in or

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raised in my my family has been involved in the Democratic party since my all of

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my great-grandparents came over on the uh in 1848 uh uh during the Potato

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Famine and landed in Boston and it was the Democratic party that they came in

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came over penniless and friendless and it was the Democratic party that provided for them

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that made sure that they got food that they got jobs um that protected them against the uh the

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reigning uh hierarchy of power in Boston at that time which was you know run uh

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by uh by uh what they call the Brahman class which was very hostile to uh Irish

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Catholics in particular and my my great-grandfather was the first uh Irish

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Catholic maross and the first let me put it this way Irish Catholic ghetto mayor there was one mayor before him that was

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Irish Catholic but he was chosen by the brahin and he was the first one who was

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you know part of the the rebellion of the Irish um and the ultimate takeover

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of Boston and many of our other urban areas by Irish Catholic politicians my grandfather John

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Fitzgerald who was called honey Fitz because he had a beautiful singing voice that sounded like

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honey and his contemporary Patrick Joseph Kennedy uh

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was a state legislature political boss in Boston their children married my uh

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Rose Fitzgerald married my grandfather Joseph Kennedy he was the

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treasur from Franklin Roosevelt's campaign he was the only Wall Street figure who supported Roosevelt and then

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he became the first commissioner of the SEC he had political Ambitions of his

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own but he he ruined those um Ambitions

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by his anti-war position both in world one and then World War II he served as the uh as the US

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ambassador to the court of St James under Roosevelt to to Great Britain um and then his uh his children

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his son Joe who was killed during the war gave a speech you know was would

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have run for would have run and my my grandfather Ambitions for him to be the first Irish Catholic President he spoke

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he get a gave a keynote address at the democratic convention in 1940 my my

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uncle John Kennedy became the first Irish Catholic President of the United

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States um my father served as attorney general and then the United States

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Senate and then I died I was assassinated in his own run for

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president my uncle Ted Kennedy was the second longest serving member of the United States Senate and so you know my

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family this the the DNA of the democratic party was baked into

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my own character my identity I grew up in the party I began campaigning when I

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was uh six years old on my my uncle's campaign I attended the convention in

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Los Angeles that year and I've attended almost every Democratic Convention since

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then worked in probably a 100 campaigns and um and I was a stalwart in

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the Democratic party but the Democratic party that I grew up with changed dramatically has changed the last year

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the Democratic party I grew up in was the party of peace my my uncle John

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Kennedy he was asked by his best friend one of his two best friends Ben

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Bradley who was then the editor of Washington Post what do you want on your gravestone and without skipping the beat

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my uncle said he kept the piece he said the primary job of a president of the United States was to keep the country

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out of War he said he didn't want uh children in Africa and Latin America

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when they when they heard about the United States to think about a man in a military uniform with a gun he wanted

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them to think of a Peace Corp volunteer he wanted them to think of the Kennedy milk program which provided nutrition to

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millions of malnourished kids around the world he wanted them to think of usaid of Alliance for progress and these other

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programs that my uncle created projected economic power rather than military power

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abroad my uncle was under tremendous pressure to go to war in La which he

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resisted in 1961 uh to go to war in Germany uh

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during the Checkpoint Charlie crisis in ' 62 to go to war against Cuba in 61

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during the Bay of Pigs and then again in ' 63 during the Cuban Missile Crisis and

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then to go to Vietnam vir all of his advisers were telling him he had to send 250,000

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troops of Vietnam or the government was collapsed and he said it's their government we cannot fight their War for

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them he ultimately under great pressure s 16,000 military

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advisers and then who were not under his Rules of Engagement allowed to participate in combat some of them did

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in October of of um of 1963 he learned

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that Green Beret had been killed in Vietnam and he turned to his Aid wal

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rosow and he said I want the casualties a list of complete list of casualties of

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us casualties rosow came back to home an hour later with and there was 75 76

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Americans that died at that point my uncle said it's too many and that afternoon this October

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22nd 1963 he signed National Security order 263 ordering all military personnel US

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military personnel out of Vietnam by 1965 with the first thousand coming home

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in uh by December so that would have been six weeks later and then he was killed 30 days to

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the date after he signed that order and a week after that President Johnson his

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successor remanded National Security order 263 Johnson then sent 200 and 65,000

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Americans to Vietnam it became our war my father ran against that war in 1968

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and he also was killed in that process and then Nixon took over and

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sent 560,000 Americans to Vietnam we killed a million of them maybe two

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million they killed 56,000 of our uh our

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children including my cousin George skel who died in the tent offensive and and America then went down

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a different path so the you know becoming uh a feature of the military industrial

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complex which eyes now had warned against three days before my uncle on my

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birthday in 1961 three days before my uncle took the office eyes and hour made that warning

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and my uncle spent three or thousand days of his presidency keeping us out of

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war and keeping the military industrial complex at Brad Bay this was one of the defining

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features of Democratic party we were the party that was against War the Republicans were the proar party we were

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the party that was for civil rights including constitutional rights and particularly freedom of

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speech which is the the the back stop for all the other rights the United

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States Constitution a country that has the capacity to censor its critics and has

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the license for every kind of atrocity my father understood that my understood that that was one of the that was a

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Bedrock Assumption of the democratic party that Free Speech was if any any

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constrictions on Free Speech was the first step down the slippery slope of totalitarianism um so is it fair to say

The Democrats have become the party of war, picking a fight with Russia

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then that you found the Democrats at the present time you've alluded to peace and

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under Trump now the party of War now that you know they're they're about to get us into a a war with

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so we could start by talking about [Music]

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depression depressed people are sad and frustrated and disappointed they tend to

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feel all negative emotions simultaneously in a manner that's

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paralyzing depression is fundamentally a biochemical disorder one of the things I tried to determine as a good behaviorist

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was whether the person who was suffering was suffering because they were ill in

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the strictly physiological sense or whether they were suffering from the

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cumulative micro and macro catastrophes of

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Life the prob ility that tossing an anti-depressant into the mix is all of a sudden going to fix your life that are

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absolutely catastrophically out of order is zero the more unstable your life is

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the less serotonin your brain produces and that makes you hyp sensitive to negative emotion and suppresses positive

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emotion you take the problem I'm suffering and then you think well why are you suffering it's exposure therapy

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and then you can practice encountering the obstacle that are stopping you and it'll make you braver and it'll help you

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deal with your problems voluntary confrontation with the forces of darkness and chaos is the fundamental

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story of [Music] Life Putin has said this week yeah that

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if we send missiles into into Russia that he will consider himself to

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be a war with NATO and the United States of America and you know and he's got more weapons than he's got this the

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biggest nuclear power in the world he 1,200 more nuclear warheads than we do and they're better than ours and his

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electronic warfare system is a generation ahead of ours as they've shown in Ukraine they can shoot down

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almost anything that we send against them and and camela Harris during the

Kamala Harris is proud to be endorsed by Dick Cheney

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convention made this extraordinarily belligerent speech that appears to have been written by the

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neocons and um and then before she went on

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a CIA director spoke immediately before and they had militaries people

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speaking at that this was inconceivable you know when I was growing up and kamla

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Harris in recent days has touted her endorsement by dick jany Nick Cheney was

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like Darth Vader if you were a democrat in 2004 practically uh uh the the uh the

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qualification for you being a Democrat is to consider dick cheny a war criminal

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ni Cheney and John Bolton who she also touted her endorsement by and 225 other

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neocons who who came out and supported her that day dick chany and Dick and

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John Bolton were the people who gave us the Patriot Act they're the ones who launched the surveillance State the

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censorship State this the legalized spying by the CIA and propaganda by the

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CIA against the American people never happened before it's in their CH if they can't do that

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um and Dick Cheney and then they gave us the Iraq War which was the greatest uh

The Iraq War brought a surge of totalitarianism to Europe

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cataclysm of foreign policy cataclysm in American history we destroyed Iraq which was our Bull workk against Iranian

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expansion the October 7th Invasion were a direct result of our destruction of

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Saddam Hussein Iraq is now no longer a Bull workk against Iran it is now a proxy of

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Iran thanks to our war which is exactly the foreign policy outome that

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we've been struggling to avoid for 30 years we killed more Iraqis than Sodom

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Hussein by far we turned Iraq into a Waring cauldron of of Sunni and Shia

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desas we created Isis we sent with that Iraq and the spillover war in

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Syria we sent between two and four million immigrants into Europe and

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destabilize every nation in Europe for a generation emergence of totalitarianism in Europe that right now you know the

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abolition of free speech in Europe is a direct result of the Iraq war brexit is a direct result of the Iraq

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War was a cataclysm if you ask this Dick Cheney Dick Cheney who gave us torture for the

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first time in American history we had this tradition in this country Against torture George Washington even when the

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British were were torturing Americans and murdering them on on Prison ships in

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Manhattan you know off Manhattan Island Washington was asked about

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torturing a a a British prisoner who had critical information

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military information he said I'd rather lose the war than do that if we lower ourselves that that level then what's

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the point Abraham Lincoln was presented with the same dilemma during the Civil

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War and um and and said no we're not going to do that and he wrote uh

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guidelines Against torture for the US military that later became the basis for the Geneva Convention that is our Legacy

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to the world the Geneva Convention you don't torture people and Dick Cheney introduced that extraordinary Renditions

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openly torturing people bragging about it if you asked Dick Cheney today do you

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disavow any of those policies he would say no I embrace him the war in Iraq was a great thing we got rid of Saddam

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Hussein it's insanity and he has not changed so why is the endorsing come

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Harris it's not because the the the neocons have changed it's because the

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Democratic party is now the party of the neon when when I interviewed you last

The inversion of the major political parties

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time I asked you a question that I've asked almost I think every Democrat that I've spoken to or former Democrat which

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was when does the left go too far and you answered that in that question you said when they align with Dick Cheney

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they've gone too far that's where they are now yeah well so this is so how do you how do you explain I I'd like to

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know what happened by the way I could go on with that list of departures from the

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Democrat yeah yeah extraordinary inversion and you know I studied

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American history in in um in college and you know one of the ways that we study

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American history is is according to these four big realignments that happen among the parties during different parts

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of our history and we're going through one of those real Ms today with the Democratic the you know

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the the Democratic party was the party of civil rights is now become the party of censorship the party of surveillance

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yeah it was the party of that that was fighting against the the the subversion

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of American democracy by big corporations by Wall Street and and uh and you know and and

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corporate uh Robert barents and Titans today the Democratic party is the party

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of Wall Street is the party of big Pharma big Tech a big AEG a big food of the military industrial

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complex when I was a kid the Democratic party was the party of the poor the Republican party was the

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wealthy party that's where most of the wealth in this country 70 or 80% was in the Republican party we were the party

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of the firefighters the cops the union leaders the uh and and it very

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interesting that the Republican convention you had for the first time in history Shan O'Brien the president of

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Teamsters Union speaking to Great Applause I this was unheard of I I was

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on tour recently with JD Vance and we spoke at the firefighters

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convention in Boston and he was he was touting about the importance of the rep

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today's Republican party for collective bargaining which was a a criminal act in the past to the Republicans during the

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2020 election Jordan roughly 50% the people in this country voted for Trump and roughly 50%

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voted for Biden the 50% who voted for Trump own 30% of the wealth in this

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country the 50% of voted for Biden own 70% so you the the Republican party is

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the party of the poor the party of the working class the Working Poor of unions

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and and uh and the Democratic party has been become the party of billionaires

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Donald Trump chased billionaires out of the Republican party and they've all gone off the chase the neocons out of

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the Republican party and I would also argue Republican party is now the party

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of the of true environmentalists the the fixation that you know and this is the the the space

Atrazine and endocrine disruptors

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that I came out of and I got into you know environmental work of working for

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commercial fishermen on the Hudson River and then Rivers all over the country protecting a

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habitat protecting water clean air protecting our children against toxins and it's andrine disruptors there's a

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chemical now the second most used chemical in this country pesticide in this country is adrine it's banned in

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Europe banned all over the world but we use it here it's in 63% of our drinking

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water there's a famous African-American scientist named Tyler Hayes who's at the

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University of Berkeley he he did a famous experiment that anybody can look up on the

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internet and it uh he put 70 African water frogs in a an aquarium he put

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atrazine in the water of that aquarium that was less than epa's level so it's

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less than the levels we have in 63% of our water supply 60 of those frogs became sterile

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they're all male frogs 60 became sterile 10% of those frogs turned female and

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they were able to produce fertile eggs so it changed their sex and of course normally you know when

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you see something like that in an animal model the first thing you want to do is test it in a m Mamon model and then a

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human model those tests were never done so we don't know what impact it's having on our children if any but I think those

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I've been trying for 40 years to get Republicans in you know Fox News and

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elsewhere to pay attention to this threat of endocrine disruptors and they ridiculed me to

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wrting me you know and just ignored me Dr Carlson did an extraordinary

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documentary a year and a half ago on endocrine disruptors and basically said

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all the things I just said and he was abs absolutely attacked

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by the left and by the mainstream environmental community of this and then you know the other big issue with the

Real environmentalism is for the sake of humans, offshore wind farms and the fake Green Movement

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mainstream environmental is this fixation on carbon alone that all the things that brought us into the

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environment people become environmentalist not because they're scared of a of a line on a graph and you

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know you're going to be dead after you know at this point in history if you don't

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behave we got involved because of love because of Love of of the habitat

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because love of the environment because love of our purple mountains majesties our rivers and streams understanding

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we're not protecting nature for the sake of the fishes and the birds we're protecting it our own sake because nature enriches

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us and this has been forgotten by the environmental movement and they they've simply become fixated on carbon alone

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and that is the only issue and you know I'm watching the the

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outcome of that now on the coast of the Atlantic coast of North

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America if 21 offshore wind farms being built it's privatized 5,000 square miles

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of land between the Gulf of Maine and North Carolina and they're pounding into

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the sediment 2200 of uh car turbines

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turbines are unspeakably large the just the blades on those turbines are th000 ft long they're bigger than the Eiffel

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Tower they're all made in China know and when they explode which one did off in

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man Tucket a month ago they put shards into the water so you can't swim without getting cut you can't go to the beaches

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in an Tucket because of the shards on they're killing the whale the nymphs of

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national marine fisheries have have warned that the that the turbines are

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going to cause the collapse of the Cod fishery because they're in the spawning grass no the environmental movement

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doesn't care they built these and they are destroying the whale populations and

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everybody knows it in two years we've had you know on average there was about four groundings a year we've had 109 oil

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tests unexplained over the past two years long since

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2016 we've been averaging 16 to 20 a year and these are right wh right whales

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there's only 368 left in the world only 70 fertile Fe

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females Makey humac whales and other wh large whale species and they're being exterminated

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and everybody's pretending it's not the wind farms but nobody's there's no other explanation there's been no other

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changes and the um the Federal Environmental agencies that regulate

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this also regulate oil production in the Gulf of Mexico the rule is that if

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there's a single whale death within 50 Mi of an operation everything comes to a

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halt till it's explained they've waved that rule and they've

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refused to investigate the death they refused to do proper necropsies of the Dead Wells to keep us in the dark about

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what's actually causing this but everybody knows what's causing it and the big environmental groups the

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inside the bway groups including my group that I L which is nrdc but Sierra

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Club and Greenpeace they're all pretending it's not happening you have the small

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environmental groups on the coastline the 17 you know these little environmental groups that are going

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crazy protesting and demanding investigations but they have been excluded now for the process and and

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then you're seeing the same you know all of those these wind farms are all being

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built by Foreign companies right the foreign they nobody would build a wind

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farm offshore wind I'm very much in favor of onshore wi I've built onshore wi my brother's in that business you you

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know onore WI very efficient and very very effective and we have the best onshore wind in the world here in the

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United States onshore wind can provide wind uh Power at about 11 cents a kilowatt hour

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offshore wind 33 cents a kilowatt hour the average price of energy in this country is about 14 to 16 cents a

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kilowatt hour onshore wind is more than double that I mean offshore wind so no

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utility in the world would ever build one of these towers unless it wasn't uh funded

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billions of dollars in federal subsidies and tax braks the foreign companies

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can't because they're foreign they cannot take advantage of us tax braks so they

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get the big Financial houses from our country to finance them so they can take

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those tax breakes so the the the big players are Black Rock Goldman Sachs

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Morgan City bank Wells Far all the big contributors that Democratic

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party and they are they've gotten the tax breaks from the inflation reduction act which was Joe Biden's signature

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environmental accomplishment but it's not actually protecting the environment it's all about subsidies these giant

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boond doggles for huge players that are destroying the environment the other big

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779 billion dollar of subsidies are are going to carbon capture which is tearing

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up the Midwest farmland oh this abon tle to Big oil companies to Big methane

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companies to Big A to take the carbon from methane plants and then inject it

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into deep Wells oil wells in the bachan shell and in Southern Illinois to bring out the last drops of

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oil so instead of reducing carbon they're actually increasing carbon in the environment it's just this

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extraordinary and it's $79 billion in subsidies do something that is an

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absolute bagle and there's no other way to describe it I'll tell you one other

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thing there's there there's one of the byproducts of of

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carbon capture is um uh is sulfur U is

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sulfuric acid which the Woods Hole Marine

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Institute now has a contract to dump two two uh 2 million metric tons of U of

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this material which is destroys any form of life it actually destroys your genes

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and and and destroys at the cellular level it dump it into the ocean often then tuck it and uh and you know it's

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part of this process and they're all going along with it because they've all been paid off and it really is kind of

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it's sickening it's criminal and uh it's uh uh you know and

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that is somehow as I said there's been this huge inversion where the Republicans are opposing that

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Republicans are focused on protecting the environment protecting habitat protecting our children from these toxic

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chemicals and the Democratic party and the the associated environmental groups have forgotten about that mission so you

The deep state apparatus, “They literally canceled the primaries”

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pointed to this inversion you described the um failure on the Democrat side to

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continue standing for peace you're very skeptical about the environmental movement in relationship to Democrat

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policies you talked about Free Speech I'm curious how you how that inversion

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played out as well in your more personal experience while you were running for president because the last time we

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talked you were more or less embarking on your campaign and so I I presume that you as a Democrat yes as a Democrat and

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so I presume that and I know for for a fact that you had all sorts of Misadventures let say on the campaign

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route so I'm curious what you encountered practically speaking in terms of impediments to your campaign

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because you were as you as we all know you were trying to what rehabilitate the Democrats to pull them to the center to

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put yourself forward as a credible candidate so I imagine and and maybe I'm wrong that there were things that you

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experienced practically well because you've been in the realm of abstraction to some degree that you experienced

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practically while you were on the campaign trail that also what would you say made you much more cognizant of how

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the political process actually works particularly on the Democrat side so what what was that like well yeah and

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that is the ultimate irony that the other part of the inversion is the Democratic party is now uh come out

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essentially against democracy um and you know dur I saw that

34:19

firsthand because I saw you know I was not normally in order to choose a president when my father wanted to run

34:26

in in 68 he challenged the president of his own party just like I did but he was there was primaries and he was allowed

34:33

to challenge him and it forced Johnson to step down I think if I'd been able to

34:39

challenge into the same situation um President Biden that he would have been forced to step down much earlier because

34:45

he would have been forced to debate me people would have seen his impediments much earlier and we could have had real

34:52

democracy you could have had other people coming to the race not just me but you know Gavin new and Amy clage and

34:58

pres vice president Harrison other people would have run but instead they just called off the

35:04

primaries they literally cancelled the primaries and they gave um you know they gave the election to President Biden

35:11

without ever coming out of the White House um they did not want them to debate clearly because they did not want

35:18

to see some of you know the public to see some of these deficiency so you had a kind of apparatus that was running a

35:26

candidate who was is uh who was unqualified for the

35:32

job and everybody now now recognized that but they wanted him in there

35:37

anyway because they needed a figurehead who could win the election and who's they well you talked about the

35:44

military-industrial complex well yeah but I you know I I'm not even going to go into you know sort of the deep State

35:50

analysis but I would just say I don't know who made the decision I you know clearly there were people around him you

35:58

know and it could be Anthony blinkin and you know Sullivan and even you know who

36:04

knows who else but who were whoever was calling the shots and

36:10

you know there was a it was a really really unbelievable moment at the or

36:16

point in moment at during the Democratic National Convention when Chris

36:22

guomo points up into the bleachers of the Arena you know where the convention

36:28

was taking place and there was these high seats the Box the owner's boxes up in the upper rim of

36:34

the and he said those are the boxes that are cost a million a million and a half

36:40

to be in that box right now and those are the big donors of the democratic party the corporate donors the black

36:45

rocks these kind of groups that are up there the military industrial the big Pharma he said we don't even know who

36:52

they are but they're the ones that are making all the decisions here on the floor and you know those that people

36:57

that ultimately anointed KL Harris you know who I don't

37:04

think is I I don't want to be mean-spirited and I've I've been very disciplined about not name

37:11

calling uh to me it's a disqualifier to be president of the United States if you don't believe in freedom of speech and

What RFK Jr. thinks should disqualify Harris from running for president, the free marketplace of ideas

37:18

uh vice president Harris has repeatedly said that the first amendment is a

37:23

privilege not a right um that the government has a duty

37:28

to censor what she calls misinformation that that's not protected

37:33

by the first that's a very dangerous word misinformation it's first of all the first amendment protects all

37:41

speech it protects lies it protects you know of not it was passed not to protect

37:47

convenient speech prot but to protect the speech that nobody wants to hear and

37:52

when the government takes upon itself the the right

37:58

to decide what's true and what's not true then you have a totalitarian system because of course it's going to you know

38:04

and we saw this during Co where the government was really the biggest propagator of misinformation of factual

38:11

factually inaccurate information um that it then uses the

38:16

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38:24

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38:38

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38:46

as as hypothesis or suppositions that people consider dishonest or lying or

38:52

wrong or erroneous or misinformation back then the whole process of democracy

38:57

Y is a dialectic in which you know new ideas that are unpopular that appear

39:03

manipulated to dishonest challenge existing realities

39:09

and in that dialectic you know in the furnace of debate and the um and the of

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Jordan nobody should be an Arbiter at the

41:01

beginning at the outset as to what you can talk about and what you can't and the and then and the the impulse of the

The larger disease infecting the Democratic Party

41:09

democratic party to censor debate is part of a larger disease which

41:15

is which is has to do with centralized control rather democracy and the

41:21

mistrust of the people the mistrust of the deos which is the people which is

41:27

what you know democracy is is is uh named after

41:33

oh they they believe that the government needs to control what people hear so that they don't become infected with

41:40

dangerous ideas and you know it was dangerous ideas that launch the American Revolution an idea that people could

41:47

actually govern themselves which was considered a lie back then oh you need

41:53

and you know and they won the Revolution and um and then you know our

41:59

nation has been about trusting people and avoiding centralized um mechanics of

42:06

control and now the Democratic party is all about the centralization of control it's about surveillance it's about

42:13

controlling the flow of information it's about top- down policies that um that

42:19

you know are dictated by an oligarchy and uh and it's the opposite of

42:25

democracy and you know so I saw that firstand and I saw it in the Democratic

42:30

party alone this is an irony from the beginning our polls were showing and all

42:36

the national polls were showing or almost all of them and I was hurting president Trump and about 57% to 60% of

42:45

the people who said they were going to vote for me said that if I left the race they

42:50

would switch their votes to Trump so me being in the race was actually helping the Democrats it was Democrats who were

42:58

trying to destroy my campaign who were trying to you know sued me despite that

43:03

yeah and and it's very strange right because I was helping them yeah the

43:10

Republican Party made no effort to keep me off the ballot they didn't make efforts to discredit me I mean president

43:16

Trump said you know obligatory bad things about me that I was a left-wing radical and all this stuff but they

43:22

weren't mean-spirited things and they weren't you know there was no effort to

43:27

keep me from speaking um the Democrats kept me from speaking that you

43:33

know and their Allied media Outlets when when uh when Roso ran in 1992

43:43

Jordan he he had he was 10 months in the race and he had 34 interviews on the

43:49

mainstream media on ABC NBC CNN Etc right in the 18 months that I spent the

43:56

race I had two live interviews on and how long were they I what how long were

44:01

the interviews well they weren't long I mean the longest one was with Aon

44:07

Bernett which was I think 22 minutes maybe 27 minutes so you got live

44:12

interview so they can't you know they can't censor it if you do a taped interview they cut out whatever they

44:19

don't want the public to hear yeah oh I had two live interviews during during 18

44:25

months compared to 34 interviews in 10 months that he had oh they W you know I

44:31

wasn't allowed to write letters to the editor to The Washington Post the New York Times any of the mainstream uh you

44:37

know the sort of the democratic um periodicals and or publish editorials

44:43

none of them I could not speak to that constituency and you know that's really

44:49

why you know I had to withdraw ultimately and then they wouldn't let me on the debate stage yeah right and that

44:54

was a collusion too because if you had the old debating commission that was run by originally for the first 15 years you

45:03

know my uncle had the first televised debate 1960 and for 20 years after that it was

45:11

run by the league of woman voters which was independent unbiased and they had their own rules for letting people in

45:17

they would have let me in under their rules and for the next you know after

45:22

1980 it was run by the um the commission on presidential debates which was also

45:29

unbiased and but now but President Biden and president Trump said we're not going to use the commission on debates now

45:36

we're going to make a separate deal with CNN and we now know what happened in

45:42

that New York Times was reported in their conversations where President

Keeping RFK Jr. off the debate stage, “clearly it’s illegal”

45:47

Biden said we are not going to be on the stage with Robert Kennedy so we want you to keep him off and if if he if you have

45:54

rules to let him on then we're not and for CNN you know it's it's tens of

46:01

millions of dollars for that debate and then they're G to get why did

46:07

Trump agree and they're gonna get hundreds of million well you know he he kind of he went back and forth on it so

46:12

the Republicans were not entirely good on that but he did say publicly if you know I think he should be on the de yeah

46:18

yeah I remember that and then um then the same thing happened with ABC and

46:24

they adopted rules that that actually I was able to reach their metrics their

46:31

thresholds but they still get me off the debating stage and that's illegal clearly it's

46:37

illegal under FEC rules you're not allowed to deliberately exclude another

46:42

candidate from the debate without neutral rules and they you're not allowed to develop rules

46:48

specifically to keep somebody off the debate otherwise the made itself becomes an illegal campaign contribution and right

46:56

of course and that's why you know uh Trump's lawyer you know went to jail for

47:01

that right so they they what they were doing was criminal the FEC is an anemic

47:08

organization that is half of the commission is Republican half are Democrats so independ none of them care

47:14

about an independent and they you know so they just didn't act on it I you know about I don't know three

47:21

months ago President Biden and K Harris uh gave

47:27

this statement about Vladimir Putin where they said they were ridiculing him because he had

47:33

won the Russian election with I think he got 88% of the vote and they said well you

47:41

know that's because he didn't let anybody else run against him and because he controlled the media so you know

47:48

that's not really democracy well that was the same system they put in place over here so the whole thing was

47:55

uh was was an irony but you know that is also the fact the Democratic party

48:01

abandoned democracy was another part of this inversion that that has taken place and that I you know my wife saw that

48:09

process firsthand and uh I think you know it um it changed some of her

48:16

worldview and made her she wasn't happy about me endorsing president Trump at

48:21

all um and did not want me to do it but it became I think you know tolerable for

48:27

her where she uh um and that was important for me to have her on board

48:33

right so can can I ask you a little bit about what I've seen as a major transformation on the Trump side and

Tucker Carlson brought Trump and RFK Jr. together

48:39

it's allayed some of my concerns hypothetically about the manner in which he might conduct an Administration like

48:45

I think he made a major error in the debate with Harris not stressing

48:51

continually the makeup of the team that he's gathered around him at the moment I I was with some people earlier today

48:58

about the fact that if I was an American which I'm not I would vote for Trump

49:03

merely because musk said he would head a commission on Investigation into inefficiencies in government and to me

49:09

that like that's a stunning opportunity because musk has shown time and time again that he can do exactly that sort

49:15

of thing he has musk he has you he has tulsey gabard he has JD Vance he has VI

49:22

ramaswami I mean first of all these are unlikely Republicans to say the least and they're also remarkable people and

49:29

so it seems to me that along with the inversion of the Democrats that you described and laid out in in multiple

49:36

Dimensions there's also been a transformation not only of the Republicans in the way you said but also

49:42

in the trump in the team that's gathered around Trump himself and so well I'm curious

49:48

what you think about Trump per se you've met with him many times now and you guys have obviously called together something

49:54

approximating a functional agreement he obviously listen to you on the health front but then there's these other

49:59

people that are surrounding him at the moment too that seem to be well they they remind me in some ways they remind

50:06

me in some ways of you they're not the typical political players they're much more entrepreneurial they're not they're

50:13

certainly not classic Republicans and so what do you how are things going with

50:19

you and Trump you said a bunch of things about the Democrats that were critical but you haven't yet elucidated

50:27

your opinions with regards to Trump and the team that's around him now so I'm curious about your your sentiments in

50:33

that regard yeah I mean I had you know multiple discussions I got um a call

50:39

from about two hours after uh president Trump shooting in Butler I got a call

50:45

from a guy called Cali means who is uh I'm really a genius who's been on the

50:52

the Forefront of reforming our food system and you know dealing with the chronic disease epidemic he and his

50:59

sister Casey me who did this wonderful interview with u with Tucker

51:05

that you know introduced a lot of people to them he called me and he said to me

51:10

you know are you interested in talking to uh the Trump team about you know some

51:15

kind of a partnership about perhaps unifying your

51:21

parties and he um and I said no immediately and then

51:27

I actually called my family um members and talked to you know a number of of

51:33

like you know my immediate family members and and um they said uh you should talk to

51:40

them my my wife said you know you should talk to him but she was not thinking

51:46

about unifying the party she was just thinking about and he had just been shot and that

51:52

um you know my because I came from a background where my you know my uncle my

51:57

father were killed by assassins that it would be a compassionate thing to talk to him but

52:03

my kids were you know you should talk to him about you know um about hearing him

52:09

out on what he has in mind and um so I ended up I then sent CI

52:18

means a text saying you know I'm interested and then a few minutes later I got a a text from a three-way text

52:26

from Tucker Carlson with an unknown number that was

52:32

President Trump's cell phone and he said you know uh will you guys talk and then

52:39

I said yes and a few minutes later I got a call from president Trump and we talked probably for 30 or

52:45

35 minutes and we talked about um a whole lot of issues different issues and

52:51

you know about his shooting and and uh about the issues that I was interested in

52:57

and he expressed a kind of a at that point was which was a

53:02

u a conformance with me on some of an alignment with me on some of those

53:08

issues and we agreed to meet the next day and we ended up meeting in miluk and we had I think probably about two and a

53:15

half hours together and um at that point we talked about the

53:20

food system we talked about the chronic disease epidemic we talked about the uh about the cons and the addiction to

53:28

war and I was impressed by his just uh I would say visceral revulsion about the

53:35

Neons and about their view of an Imperium abroad at a National Security State at

53:41

home which go hand in hand because imperialism abroad is inconsistent with

53:46

democracy at home and um with also his appor for

53:52

censorship which he was again it was viseral with him and I I think part of that is because he's seen it in action

53:59

you know he's been the target of censorship the same as I have and um so then we agreed that maybe

54:09

there was a uh there was grounds to meet on they wanted me to do something at the

54:14

at the convention the Republican convention and I was not ready to do anything and then after that I actually

54:22

contacted the Harris campaign to see if she would have a conversation with

54:27

me and she just said out right now and then uh what why do you think that was I

54:34

mean you'd think a conversation I don't know I don't to me it's unimaginable

54:39

that you know you wouldn't have a conversation that kind of conversation particularly because you

54:46

know my um uh because the the race can be so

54:52

close it's going to be within two or three points and I had a a following enough that was

54:59

large enough to swing it one way or the other and at least thetically um so you

55:07

know I would it guilt by association is it something like that I mean I've had a lot of experience democr so Radioactive

55:14

in the Democratic party and also they you know they believe their own publicity so they've

55:21

they're all reading the New York Times and watching CNN and if you're living in that uh

55:27

information egoism first of all you'll never see me talk explain my own issues

55:33

what you'll hear is that you know I'm antifa and that I'm

55:39

anti science and that I'm uh I'm a crazy person and that uh I'm a lunatic and you

55:46

know all the other things that are just are kind of the standard defamations and and perjuries about me on the on the

55:55

Democratic control Media or a line media so and they're probably believing

56:01

parts of that and you know um so who knows that I can't look into her her

56:07

mind and and explain what what they did you know why they did I I could speculate a lot but you know what's the

56:15

point and then I continued having conversations with the Trump

56:21

campaign and uh with President Trump himself in a number of personal conversations

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Agreeing to a unity campaign; forming a team with Vance, Gabbard, and Musk

57:56

and I ended up going to maral Lago with Amarilis my daughter-in-law who runs my

58:03

campaign and we sat down with uh with Don Jr and with uh with President Trump

58:11

and and Susie Wild's campaign manager for several hours and talk through these issues and

58:18

we agreed to do a Unity campaign where we would like they have in Europe where

58:24

there are you know where there um there's coalitions where you don't you don't give up your own independence or

58:31

Your Capacity to criticize your allies on things with which you don't agree with

58:36

them and and he was very agreeable to that and on the things that on the issues that we don't agree on that I

58:42

would continue to criticize him and he could criticize me without penalty and uh to our to our alliance

58:50

and that um that uh the issues that we

58:56

did agree on he agreed to make them priorities and to um and to involve me

59:03

in some way in uh in helping to choose the new government and helping

59:10

to give emphasis to the policies that I was concerned about and the three

59:16

policies were Children's Health and the chronic disease epidemic and which involves the food system and the and you

59:23

know and getting the corruption out of the the public health agencies out of

59:29

USDA um second handing the censorship and and uh and

59:36

surveillance and number three ending the uh the Warfare say ending the Ukraine

59:42

war immediately and um all of those are issues that

59:48

he those are big issues had come to on his own and

59:53

that I think he appreciated my in insights on some of those issues and my

59:59

uh passion for some of those issues and my knowledge about some of those

1:00:05

issues expertise and he welcomed me you know my involvement I mean one of the thing you

1:00:12

asked me about what I sort of had come to discover about President Trump and he

1:00:17

said to me a number of things that were very Illuminating one is that he and

1:00:23

Donald Jr um and JD Vance were

1:00:29

absolutely um had extraordinary antipathy toward

1:00:35

what the neocons have done to our country I was surprised about that how knowledgeable they were and how

1:00:41

passionate and JD Vance is a a soldier and so and

1:00:47

he his understanding of the Neons comes out of his own you know service abroad and his own um military service and then

1:00:55

Donald Trump Jr I don't know exactly how he came

1:01:01

to his uh antagonism toward them but it is uh it was it's very very

1:01:09

heartfelt that gave me a lot of confidence as well that he's surrounded by people who are close to him that are

1:01:14

in his family and that you know are going to um are going to be involved in

1:01:20

his administration who agreed with me and we talked at that time about um and fact it was an issue

1:01:27

that I brought out up about bringing Tulsi onto the team and um and they were

1:01:34

very very welcoming of that idea and that of course another one who had tremendous trouble with the

1:01:40

Democrats not only and and she was the deputy director of the

1:01:47

Democratic National Committee y you know four years ago oh she was a core you

1:01:53

know Democrat and a presidential candidate democratic

1:01:58

congresswoman um yeah had a formidable figure yeah and very very formidable and

1:02:04

uh and somebody that I like personally a lot and have had a long and very very

1:02:11

friendly relationship with and then um but he also said something to me

Where Trump has grown in his thinking, launching the transition team now

1:02:17

he said last time that I was in you know in 2016 he said I I was uh uh we got and

1:02:26

and he he said we didn't really expect that that was going to happen and uh

1:02:32

right obviously I was not prepared for it and he said you know we launched the transition Committee in in

1:02:39

January and I was immediately surrounded by you know business people and

1:02:45

lobbyists and saying you pick this guy pick that guy pick that guy and he said and I did it I did what they

1:02:51

said he said I later came to regret it and a lot of those people were bad people

1:02:56

you know how he he talks about that he said they were bad people and um and he

1:03:02

said I don't want to do that this time I want to do something completely different and he

1:03:08

said we're going to launch a transition committee starting this week so normally

1:03:14

the transition committee is paid for by the G by the general counting office and you don't laun till after the

1:03:22

election but with him he got private donors to uh to laot to pay for the

1:03:28

trans transition committee and he's starting it four or five months early

1:03:34

yeah so that they can actually put a government in place and then another thing he said is you know one of the big

Trump on Project 2025, “that was written by a Right-wing a**hole”

1:03:39

complaints against President Trump has been that he's sort of a captive of the Heritage Foundation and project

1:03:46

2025 and he said to me uh he said you know project 2025 they keep trying to

1:03:52

stick that to me that I've never read it I never heard it I heard of it until

1:03:58

people started telling me that I was behind it and he said that was written by a rightwing

1:04:04

this what he said to me and he said there are leftwing and there are right-wing and that

1:04:10

was written by a right-wing and so in that way you know he

1:04:16

uh he kind of you know disavowed this kind of ideological um pigeon hole that they're

1:04:23

trying to put him in and I think his administration is going to be really interesting because uh like

1:04:30

you said he's surrounded by people who are entrepreneurial who really are common sense

1:04:36

people who want to do the right thing for our country and you know I also came

1:04:41

to understand president Trump in a different light and it's easy for me to understand because I've been vilified

1:04:47

and demonized by the press and and the view of me you know across the kind of

1:04:52

the liberal Landscapes is that you know I'm this real insane crazy

1:04:58

person and um and you know but a lot of people I I I you know take that

1:05:05

for as gospel as reality and you know I think a lot of

1:05:11

the things that have been said about President Trump are the same thing there are things that are are propaganda

1:05:18

tropes there are very simplistic characterizations of him that Miss some of the richness of his character and of

1:05:24

his uh of Personality yeah well that seems to be especially the case now that he has this quite remarkable team around

1:05:30

him so let me Steelman the Democrats for a second and and tell me what you think of this I I've have a number of democrat

Fears that Harris will be easy to manipulate

1:05:39

contacts and they've been making a case to me that things have genuinely shifted um since Harris took the Reigns and they

1:05:46

point to things such things as relative um relatively less emphasis being placed

1:05:53

for example at the DNC on the CL climate crisis and carbon dioxide a relative um

1:05:59

shelving or siloing of the more radical leftist movement within the Democrats which in my experience they've dis

1:06:05

they've what uh declined to even admit that that exists which has been a kind of blindness that to me is nothing short

1:06:13

of miraculous is like is it possible that there is a shift towards the center

1:06:18

in the in the Democrat Party and have we seen that since Harris took the Reigns and do you have any hope in that regard

1:06:25

or was your experience your personal experience with their machinations and the problems that you detailed out um so

1:06:34

comprehensive that that you think that that what was that is that is too little

1:06:40

too late or not real at all I guess well it's hard to look into

1:06:45

somebody else's head so and so I make a practice of not doing it but what I

1:06:51

would say um is a couple of things one is that both Tim wals and kin i' I I made this

1:07:00

point before and then Hillary yesterday who's kind of the bellweather

1:07:05

for you know who the Democratic party is all have been very very vocal

1:07:12

about um about censorship about their enthusiasm for government censorship and

1:07:18

about how they're going to crack down on the social media nobody has spoken out about the censorship now taking place in

1:07:24

Europe or in Brazil where do you think see that as characteristic of nome's new

1:07:30

bill for example yeah the bill that they have here in in uh in California but the

1:07:35

you know the ban on Twitter in in uh Brazil the arrest of uh Pablo dero in um

1:07:45

in uh in France which is you know an extraordinary event that the head of

1:07:51

telegram would be pulled off his plane when he sued for refueling s and put in

1:07:56

jail and there's no reason to do that because Europe is openly censoring

1:08:02

content already and and by the way they do have you know PA der uh PA der is a

1:08:10

resident of abui and and France has a extradition treaty with with Abu Dhabi

1:08:17

so they could arrest him anytime they wanted and uh it was it seemed to be

1:08:23

like a a deliberate sign to the world about if you mess with the machine you

1:08:28

are going to be chewed up and spit out and uh and also you know I think having to

1:08:36

do with Ukraine war because telegram is widely used in Ukraine and also Russia and there are Li

1:08:44

you know there are l serbs or groups in Ukraine that are pro-ukrainian and in

1:08:49

and Russia that are any uh Ukraine war and or you know or pro-russian in

1:08:56

that war and I think that that it was probably a US instigated France has as

1:09:03

robust a an attachment to freedom of speech as we have in our country they in 1789 during the French

1:09:11

Revolution they pass all of these bills that are still on the books that give a that make freedom of speech sacred in in

1:09:19

uh France and then in the 1880s they passed another slew of bills

1:09:24

that reinforced and fortified the tradition of freedom of speech so it was as robust their

1:09:30

attachment of of of freedom of expression as it is in this

1:09:36

country and yet they abandon it you know overnight and if if America really was the

1:09:44

exemplary Nation if we were the promoter of democracy around the world we would spend less time

1:09:50

overthrowing democratically elected governments and more time

1:09:55

defending freedom of speech as it as the Western democracy is abandon it we we we

1:10:00

would be objecting and we would be saying you know this is bad for you but it's also bad for Americans I

1:10:06

mean you had this you know somebody I would consider an insane person Derry

1:10:12

Braton the commissioner of the European commission he quit this week e oh thank God yeah yeah who who threatened mus El

1:10:21

musk with criminal and civil prosecution if he allowed know without getting permission from

1:10:28

thear with the former president of the United States who is the you know who's the the nominee of one of our two big

1:10:35

political parties you can't listen to him give a live interview that he has to protect

1:10:40

the people of of Europe against that threat oh and we should be objecting to

1:10:46

that the United States you know a real president President Biden president or

1:10:52

vice president K Harris would be coming out waving flags saying you don't do that you know we're we're no matter what

1:10:58

no matter what no matter what no matter what yeah it's absolute you do not do

1:11:04

that you're you're not a democracy if you do that and calling them out on it there was none of that so I think that if you don't

1:11:12

understand that um that censorship is incompatible with democracy that that is

1:11:18

a disqualifier for being president of the United States I worry that I you know the the

1:11:24

the things said the the the things that president that vice president Harris says she's

1:11:32

for seemed to be politically driven and not heartfelt for example you know her

1:11:37

big promise you know her promise about taxing tips which he took from president Trump

1:11:44

and it was it was seemed like a last minute you know I'm going to do this because it's politically

1:11:50

Savvy her change on the border her failure to explain why she didn't do that that before you know the all of the

1:11:57

inconsistencies in that seem again not heartfelt but politically driven the big signature you know for

1:12:05

economic reform that she promised during the convention to give every new business in this country $50,000 gift

1:12:12

okay well you know that just is laughable um because in in New York

1:12:18

there are thousand new businesses starting a day that would be 50 million a day just

1:12:24

for New York businesses and if you gave that money there'd be 2,000 or 3,000 no kidding that would be gained so fast you

1:12:30

could hardly imagine it and so you know she's talking about hundreds of billions of dollars a year and where's that money

1:12:38

going to come from and then you know her other idea which is just a half Bak

1:12:44

discredited terrible idea about uh price controls oh yeah you know and wage

1:12:50

controls every time that's been tried has been a catastrophe there's no place never done it right no it can't be done

1:12:58

right and so none of these seem to be wellth thought out none of them seem to

1:13:04

be part of a a coherent and consistent ideology or thought

1:13:10

process none of them seem to be common sense and I think so I don't I think

1:13:16

that you know she did very well in the debate but anybody can do well on that debate who can anybody who can pass the

1:13:22

bar exam but she did it you know doing that debate the bar for her was low too

1:13:27

to be fair the bar was low but you know anybody can do you you can anticipate

1:13:34

every question that you're going to be asked or 95% of them and if you're surrounded by good

1:13:39

people they can write you up a good 90c you know sound bite so she had these

1:13:45

90-second sound bites and she delivered them well but I think her understanding

1:13:51

of issues seems to be an inch deep and a a wide and that you know what I would

1:13:58

really like to see is her going on long form interviews like have I'd like to see that too right

1:14:05

and and and being asked a second question a third question why did you do this explain this how is this consistent

1:14:11

what was your Evolution just asking the kind of questions that any curious interview

1:14:17

would interview would ask and and make her explain that and she can't do it and

1:14:22

this is somebody who's supposed to be president the United States that are supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with our critics around the world to

1:14:30

explain her vision to explain her record to explain her her aspirations for our

1:14:37

country it seems like she does not understand the uses of power and we're seeing that you know her support the

1:14:43

Ukraine war and of nuclear war and you know that the the risk of nuclear war I don't think she has any

1:14:51

comprehension I I don't think she has the ability to talk to foreign

1:14:56

leaders um I haven't seen any evidence of that and I think that she is

1:15:02

susceptible to manipulation because she doesn't have firm ideas about her own of

1:15:07

her own I think she's susceptible to manipulation by the Deep say I are people who want the war by the Neons

1:15:14

that run the white house now and run the foreign policy apparatus of the state

1:15:20

department and I think I fear that she'll be manipulated by them and that those entities actually want a nuclear

1:15:26

war so like they did in my uncle's time and like they've done for many many years they want a confrontation with

1:15:32

Russia that will fragment Russia and and give us access to its natural resources

1:15:37

and eliminate our big competitor you know in the west and all of their policies have been

1:15:44

bad that's a dire that's a dire prognostication that's for sure yeah so

1:15:49

that's why I I'm worried about you know her I I'm worried

1:15:55

she won't protect our civil rights our constitutional rights at home and she will allow herself America to be dragged

1:16:01

into um really catastrophic Wars abroad and at this point in history I think

1:16:07

that's you know we've got the emergence of all these surveillance Technologies of the

1:16:12

AI this time in history if we get a president like that um it will uh for

1:16:19

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The U.S. is the sickest and fattest country on the planet — and it’s entirely preventable

1:16:53

Prime so you you laid out three policy areas where you felt that you could work

1:16:58

with with President Trump very effectively Health speech and peace and we spent a fair bit of time

1:17:04

concentrating on free speech and on peace and War and I think we'll turn to that more the peace and War issue on The

1:17:11

Daily we side in in the conclusion of our interview but maybe we could close up if you don't mind with the with some

1:17:17

more thoughts on the Health crisis because one of the things you've done that I think is unprecedented and that's

1:17:24

become perhaps more part of the public discussion since you've teamed up with Trump is to make Public Health a

1:17:32

political issue and so you talked about the Public Health crisis and maybe you could lay out the dimensions of that

1:17:37

crisis I mean I know there's an obesity epidemic there's a diabetes epidemic these are very very serious problems and

1:17:43

so but you've concentrated on that in a way that just isn't characteristic of anybody on the political landscape at

1:17:49

all and now it's become an issue that's front and center and so I'd like to hear more about your thoughts why you think

1:17:55

that's such a fundamental um uh priority you know compared to say free speech and

1:18:01

and War and Peace why health and what you see lay out the landscape of the

1:18:07

problem and also the landscape of potential solution yeah

1:18:12

so we are now the sickest country in the world but we have the highest chronic disease burden in the world when my when

1:18:19

my uncle was President I was a you know 10-year-old boy um about 6% of Americans had chronic

1:18:27

illness and today 60% to and my uncle was President we spent zero in this country

1:18:35

on chronic disease zero and uh today and

1:18:42

for many chronic disease there first of all there weren't even diagnoses and there weren't drugs available um today

1:18:48

we spend $4.3 trillion so about 95% of our health budget

1:18:54

it's the biggest um and it's five times our military cost it's the biggest um item in our

1:19:03

budget and it is the fastest growing and and not only that so it destroy it's

1:19:09

destroying our country economically absolutely debilitating and all of our other issues are small towards it if you

1:19:16

just measure its economic impact it has other impacts 77% of

1:19:22

American children are no no longer eligible for the military because of chronic

1:19:28

disease and is that obesity related with kids one of them you know obesity when

1:19:34

my uncle was present was 3.4% today it's 74% and what do you think is driving the

1:19:40

Obesity epidemic uh it's it's such a transformation yeah I mean it's being driven by poison food I um you know by

1:19:49

process Ultra process wheat sugar and flour seed o

1:19:55

um soy canola sunra flour um and then uh and

1:20:03

then you know wheat and corn which are you know are um which are all all heavily

1:20:11

subsidized so those 90% of farm subsidies the crop insurance Etc go to those three

1:20:18

categories of soy coin and wheat and um and those are the feed

1:20:24

stocks for all of our processed foods they turn into sugar they're they're all nutrient baren they you know the

1:20:30

original crops were nutrient rich with the GMO corops are nutrient baren and they're heavily dependent on

1:20:36

pesticides the point of the way that the reason H GMOs are so

1:20:42

popular is because they're resistant to pass the reason they're resistant to pass right is because they are um they

1:20:50

are resistant to pesticides like lios so you can saturate

1:20:55

the whole landscape with glyphosate from airplanes and that only thing that's green is GMO corn which is you know

1:21:03

which is uh Roundup Roundup Ready it's called Roundup resistance corn and

1:21:10

because of that it's also very very heavily Laden with with pesticides

1:21:16

wheat um glyphosate is also used as a desant which means it dries out wheat so

1:21:22

it's it's sprayed on the wheat right at Harvest which means it's going right into the

1:21:27

food and when that began in 1993 that's when you saw all the the appearance of

1:21:32

all these gluten allergies and celiac disease and wheed allergies and that you

1:21:37

don't have in Europe you know you can eat spaghetti here and you're going to get eczema and all of these stomach

1:21:44

complaints then you go to Italy and you eat it and you get thin oh but here um and

1:21:51

then the corn is turned into high fr corn syrup which is just a formula for

1:21:57

making you obese and diabetic and uh Americans you know diabetes is one of

1:22:04

the diseases when I was a kid the average pediatrician saw one

1:22:09

case of diabetes in his lifetime so a 40 or 50y year career he may see one case

1:22:15

of juvenile diabetes and today one out of every three kids who walks to his office door is diabetic or

1:22:22

pre-diabetic and we spend more on Diabetes than our military budget so

1:22:28

that is you know and nobody's talking about this you know and and these are

1:22:34

the all of these autoimmune disease diabetes autoimmune disease Alzheimer's is a form of diabetes it's type three

1:22:40

diabet it comes from Poison food oh um so is it is it the is it how

1:22:46

much of it do you think is the toxin load per se and how much of it do you think is carbohydrate it's a it's the

1:22:53

overload of sugars all of those grains turn into sucros and and they're and

1:22:59

they're very low in nutrients so we're Mal nourishing K you know you're seeing high levels of obesity and in the same

1:23:06

people people who have high levels of of obesity there's also high levels of

1:23:11

malnutrition the most malnourished people in this country are the most overweight right because they're eating

1:23:17

they're eating food like food like substances yeah and then

1:23:23

that's a good phrase and then you're they're they're covered with with chemicals and pesticides plus some of

1:23:29

those are part of the food processing but some of them are pesticides Etc there's a thousand ingredients in

1:23:36

our food that are illegal in Europe and other countries so we're just Mass poisoning Us and nobody has chronic

1:23:42

disease epidemic like we do in our country that's why one of the reasons we have the highest death rate

1:23:48

from covid we we had 16% of the covid deaths in this country we only have 4.2%

1:23:54

of the world's population and so we did worse than any other country and the CDC explains that

1:24:01

says it's not our fault it's because Americans are so sick CDC said the average

1:24:08

American who died from covid had 3.8 chronic diseases right right so it

1:24:13

wasn't Co it was killing him it was chronic disease right and uh and you

1:24:18

know we had the sickest we have the highest chronic disease burden we have the highest covid death rate and and then but it's not just it's

1:24:26

it's those autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis juvenile diabetes lupus Crohn's disease all this

1:24:33

IBS all of these things had suddenly appeared in the mid 80s that you know I

1:24:38

never knew anybody with any of those disease when I was a kid yeah right the neurological diseases ADD ADHD speech

Autism rates have skyrocketed in just a few generations

1:24:46

languag Tex red syndrome narcolepsy Sleep Disorders uh Tourette Syndrome ASD

1:24:52

autism autism rat in my generation 70y old men is about

1:24:58

one in between one and 1500 and one and 10,000 that's what it is

1:25:05

today my children's generation one in every 34 kids according to CDC one and

1:25:10

every 22 in California so you know and it is it is devastating our Our

1:25:17

Generation it's our economy it's going to cause autism alone so there's a

1:25:23

reason recent paper by Mark blel that shows it'll cost a trillion dollars a year um by

1:25:29

2030 and then so then and then the Allergic Disease again which I never saw

1:25:35

as a kid I had 11 siblings 71st cousins I never knew anybody with a

1:25:42

peanut allergy why do five my seven kids have allergies you know it's so you're up

How to fight back against powerful dark forces

1:25:50

against some big some major forces in fighting that particular battle I mean

1:25:56

first of all you have to sway public opinion in that direction and then there's going to be a massive Force AR

1:26:01

raid against any possible interventions that's for sure so what tell tell me

1:26:06

what you think you could do and also tell me why you don't think you would be

1:26:12

stopped well I think they're going to try to stop us but I've been thinking about this for 40

1:26:19

years so I know how to do it and uh and

1:26:24

you know I've worked with Mark Hyman and Cy means and Casey

1:26:30

means and a lot of other people to figure out how to do it without having to go to Congress to do it all with

1:26:36

executive orders and policy changes and you know I'll give you one example I mean you can get floor out of

1:26:42

the water by executive order out of the water systems all over the country and that is you know that's a big issue with

1:26:49

public health and cancer Etc but there are other things

1:26:55

like it would be very hard you never get Congressional approval to to to ban

1:27:02

glyphosate which is causing all kinds of health problems and Cancers all over this

1:27:07

country and so um but here's what you can do you can

1:27:14

NIH has a budget of $42 billion year and it distributes that money to 56,000

1:27:21

scientists who are at research centered mainly University in North America and you know Canada the United States and

1:27:27

and some in Europe and they're supposed to be doing basic science but what they really do

1:27:34

nowaday is they do drug development for the pharmaceutical industry so NIH is now the primary incubator for new

1:27:40

pharmaceutical drugs and it changed that that rule that that changed NIH used to be the primary

1:27:48

scientific agency in the world it it change that changed in 1980 because we

1:27:54

passed a bill called the B do act that allowed NIH itself and NIH

1:28:02

scientists to collect royalties on any pharmaceutical product that they

1:28:07

developed so now that they follow the money and now what NIH does is they're

1:28:12

in a partnership with Pharma they develop new products to treat chronic disease and um and anybody

1:28:20

who tries to study the ideology the origins the causes of chronic disease that scientist

1:28:26

will be blackfall forever and so what I'm going to do at you know is change NIH and say we're

1:28:34

going to we're going to make the primary purpose of this agency to develop

1:28:40

science on what's causing chronic disease oh right now there's very little

1:28:45

science that says I corer causes diabetes that's deliberate we don't have

1:28:52

that science because the agency does not want to see that science I'm going to make sure that

1:28:58

science happens not one study but not just 20 studies but 100 studies that

1:29:03

show that now what happens when you have a 100 studies there is a a rule in the federal

1:29:11

courts in this country called the dabert rule and that says that if you believe you got sickened by a product like like

1:29:17

say you think Coca-Cola made you obese you can't sue Coca-Cola unless

1:29:23

there's at least a a critical mass of studies maybe 20 or 30 that say that

1:29:29

that's what it does it's a liability enhancer well the the judge has to make that decision about

1:29:36

whether you've passed the dabert threshold before he allows you go to to go to a

1:29:41

jury oh in a big case like when I was tried the Monsanto case I was part of

1:29:47

the trial team um the big threshold is can you pass Albert can and we had about 20

1:29:55

studies that showed that monset that Roundup caused non hodin somea and we

1:30:02

had Mouse studies we had brat studies animal studies bench studies observational studies

1:30:09

epidemiological studies so a good range of all different kinds of studies that show that once you get that critical

1:30:15

mass then you can go to a jury and once that happens the product is through so when we we sued around

1:30:21

up we had 40,000 home gardeners who had gotten non hutkins lym foma from using

1:30:28

round up at their backyards and the way that you try multi-district litigation you try one of

1:30:34

those cases at a time right one after the other in Rapid Fire till somebody says Uncle you either

1:30:41

lose them all and then you know it's you run out of money because it costs a lot of money to try a or you win them all

1:30:49

and the the uh the maker of that product then has to come to the negotiating table and and settle it we won 289

1:30:58

million in the first trial we won 89 million in the second the third trial we

1:31:03

asked for a billion dollars we got 2.2 billion from the jury and then Monsanto came to the

1:31:10

negotiating table and we settled the cases for 13 billion and they agreed to take Round Up to take uh glyphosate out

1:31:17

of home gardening products M that's what you do got it you once enough clian is

1:31:24

out there you don't have to legislate it against High fru corn there the lawyers

1:31:29

are going to come out of the woodwork and they're going to be representing a million kids with with diabetes and the

1:31:35

company is going to say we're not going to make this product anymore all right well we should you're

1:31:40

on a tight timeline um I'm going to continue this discussion on The Daily wire side I think I'm going to drill

1:31:47

down more into foreign policy and the state of the world with regards to the what Eternal state of warfare that we

1:31:53

seem to drifted into yet again I'd like to talk about Israel and Gaza and about

1:31:58

Ukraine and Russia there's other issues as well so if you're inclined to join us on the daily wire side that's what's

1:32:04

going to happen and so um I guess the other thing I'd just like to mention is we're going to see each other again in

1:32:09

about two weeks at in DC I believe at the rescue the Republic the rescue the Republic yeah yeah that's been put

1:32:15

together by Brett Weinstein and everybody should come to that that's going to be one of the if you care about the slide of

1:32:24

America into censorship surveillance and totalitarianism you want to be at this

1:32:30

event because this is going to be like the march on the Pentagon back in the 60s it's going to be the biggest March

1:32:36

ever the biggest event ever protesting the uh uh this this really ugly descent

1:32:45

apocalypse for democracy right right well all right sir thank you very much hopefully the powers

1:32:52

that be at YouTube will let this interview stand because they took the last one down which I wasn't very happy

1:32:57

about so uh I hope oh definitely I hope we didn't transgress against any of the invisible

1:33:04

rules but uh we tried to so thank you very much for coming to see me it's much

1:33:10

appreciated and uh well good luck with your continued negotiations with Trump

1:33:15

that's quite the twisting turn of Affairs and it's going to be quite something to see how this all plays out

1:33:20

in the next 50 days that's for sure so everybody who's watching listening thank you very much for your time and

1:33:25

attention and give some consideration to coming to Washington DC on September

1:33:30

29th for this rescue the Republic event it should be quite the thing uh quite the celebration that's how Weinstein

1:33:38

characterized it uh there's music there as well as um speeches from people whose

1:33:44

ideas you actually might want to hear so uh that's a once in a generation event so you know make your way there thanks

1:33:51

again sir thank you Jordan [Music]