Friday, March 6, 2026

without a pricing mechanism, there is no economic calculation


“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.” — Thomas Sowell



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Socialism is the theory that if you abolish profit, bread will somehow bake itself out of moral superiority.


Mises obliterated the entire socialist project in 1920 with one devastating insight: "Where there is no free market, there is no pricing mechanism; without a pricing mechanism, there is no economic calculation." The socialists spent the next century pretending this problem didn't exist while their economies collapsed around them. And yet here we are, watching politicians promise they can "fix" healthcare, housing, and energy markets through central planning. They can't even calculate the cost of their own programs correctly — how exactly are they going to allocate resources across an entire economy? Every Venezuelan breadline, every Soviet grain shortage, every Chinese famine was just Mises being proven right in the most brutal way possible. But sure, let's try democratic socialism this time. What could go wrong?


This is exactly right. Honestly one of the reasons socialism/communism has survived so long is because free market advocates can’t effectively articulate the glaring flaw of centrally planned economies properly. The demand for goods and services isn’t static, it changes all the time. If I were to ask you how many metric tons of polyester we should produce, no one would be able to give me a good answer. In a centrally planned economy, someone has to decide that figure. And it will invariably be wrong. Even if it is correct, it won’t be in a month when people’s wants and needs change. By instead having a free market, the incentives constantly change such that we produce/provide as much of a good/service is demanded. Surpluses and shortages will be short-lived as the incentives push supply to converge with the demand at all times. Academics and intellectuals are drawn to the idea that they have the answer to everything. But until someone can tell me exactly how many 8mm screws we need to produce in the United States next year, the free market will remain the best system to best economic system.


Many people, even self-described conservatives, think socialism would work if human nature were different. No. Socialism cannot work, even in a hypothetical society of selfless genius saints. Why not? Because socialism centralizes economic choices. How much lumber do we produce? How much wheat? What should the hourly wage of a garbage collector be? How much should insulin cost? How about bread? Socialists think that if you elect the right people, they will make these decisions intelligently and altruistically, and everything will be great. But it doesn't matter how smart and benevolent you are... you can't make a good decision without the right information. The Socialist Central Planning Committee, however wise or benevolent, doesn't know what's wanted, or what's available, because that information is conveyed in prices, and accurate pricing is the very thing that socialist governments wipe away with the bureaucratic pen. Capitalist networks are decentralized. They distribute decision making to where the information is. A man selling metal doesn't know anything about desks, or lumber. He doesn't know how many desks people want, or whether they should be made out of oak, or folded metal. But he does know how much it costs him to smelt iron ore into steel, and roll it into sheets. So he sets a price, and others decide whether, and how much, to buy. That price contains the information others need to decide whether steel is plentiful, and should be folded into anything you can make out of sheet metal, or is scarce, and should be saved for things that can only be done with steel, and furniture should be made out of oak, or pine, instead. Socialism works, or rather doesn't, by using the threat of force to set the prices of things, or take money from one person and give it to another. But every time this happens, critical data on supply or demand is erased... data that you need to make decisions. Individual prices are a decision, a guess at where supply and demand cross paths. But since free markets reward those who guess correctly, or copy a correct guess, aggregate prices are data on supply and demand. For a socialist central planning committee to order the manufacture of the correct number of cars, or to correctly set the price of a car, they need to know a thousand thousand thousand things about steel and aluminium, welders and assembly robots, rubber and glass and lithium batteries and copper wire, which they must gather, along with trillions of other pieces of data, from literally everyone in their entire civilization. Tesla only needs to know how much people charge them for the stuff they need. At every transaction in a captialist society, vital data is compressed into its most compact and useful form, then passed along to the adjacent step, where abundant brainpower is waiting to make decisions with it. Any defective node in the web that fails to make good decisions receives swift and automatic feedback, and either heeds that feedback or goes out of business, to be replaced by someone who will. Yes, in a capitalist system, there are many undesirable results. But capitalism doesn't create these results. It discovers them. They are inevitable consequences of the state of technology, and will persist until something is invented that changes the terrain. In socialism, no such solution is possible, because all the inherent problems you need to solve with progress are hidden from view by the far worse problems you created for yourself by separating the place where decisions are made from the place where information is known.


> Mises obliterated the entire socialist project in 1920 Nonsense, you are posting pseudo-factual slop. Mises in 1920 was not impactful. Price did not get much academic attention until twenty-five years later with Hayek's "The Use of Knowledge in Society," published in the American Economic Review in September 1945. There was no detectable deterrence of socialism in 1920. National Socialists took over Germany in 1933. Great Britain began nationalizing industry in 1946 and its WW2 price controls persisted until 1953. It would be fair to say that politicians and the public largely ignored both Mises and Hayek and only learned lessons against central planning and price controls the hard way, through trial and failure. The only policy decision in history informed by Mises and Hayek was when economist Ludwig Erhard, West Germany's first Minister of Economic Affairs, in June 1948 audaciously defied his allied overseers and unilaterally abolished price controls and rationing. This soon led to Wirtschaftswunder (German economic miracle). The British, though having won the war, remained mired in the economic hardships of socialism until Thatcher in 1979.


Leftists always want to keep trying it as they can prey on envy and use fake virtue to allocate more money to governments so they can control it to give it to themselves and their friends. The benevolent person in government that can perfectly hand out the wealth and centrally plan perfectly and not steal it all for them and their friends does not exist. All humans work in self interest. Period. Always. Which is why private enterprise and capitalism works because in order to gain wealth you have to create something for people to receive it in return. When governments can just confiscate it from you by force, there is just an implicit promise to give you something in return but no requirement. So it’s easy and beyond temptation to just keep vast amounts for them and their friends.



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